Su:PART NUMBER TRANSLATION RESULTS,ci sono 18 items,lo 02 è il vecchio,fino 08/03,il 16 è il nuovo da 08/03 ad oggi 36211-60090
Saluti

Un thrd di questa notte evidenzia ancora un'altra vittima del manicotto difettoso,un 78 del 2002 con 170K di contachilometri.
La Toyota sembra che sia in difficolta nel fornire il nuovo pezzo di ricambio tante sono le richieste...

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G'day All
First post in a while for me - moved to Sydney and the job change has kept me very busy!!!

As several before me have noted - my Troopy finally succumbed to the dreaded output shaft problem common to early 2000 models onwards. I noted a small "clunk" emerging at take-off - kind of like normal transmission take up - but more metallic and ominous sounding. My Troopy is a 2002 model camper with 170k on the clock. Given this age - it was highly likely it was fitted with the weak two piece output shaft (spline with a sleeve).

As time went by the clunk got worse, and started occurring in higher gears....

I was planning a weekend of serious off-roading (last weekend) - so took preemptive action and took it back to my mechanic friends. End result - new output shaft required. I have kept the old one - I can move the sleeve with my bare hands - and the teeth were reduced to razor edges - not long left... Unfortunately it got worse for me - I knew my clutch was on the way out but I thought I had a bit left.... Not so - the clutch needed doing also. I knew this as it was slipping a bit on really steep boat ramps with the boat on - but both jobs together.....

So - new output shaft, bearing kit as the bits of metal would have gone all through the transfer, new clutch - plus the service it was due for....

Gulp..... $2500! I know this is a good price given the work that was done, and the mechanics are mates so I know they did it right - but still - the credit card nearly blew up!

Apparently when they were ordering the shaft, they said the Toyota people were having trouble getting the shafts because there was such demand!

So - on this list - how many have experienced this problem? I know Steve S did a while back - anyone else?

Cheers
Dave
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Chissa' poi se Afrika ha sostituito il pezzo?

Saluti

già che è tornato fuori l'argomento vorrei fare un'altra domanda/osservazione:

dopo svariate ricerche e confronti, sono giunto alla conclusione che per quanto riguarda l'h55f le distinioni da fare sono queste:

1- albero primario della frizione: ce ne sono due tipi, uno a 10 cave e uno a 16 cave; il primo è più corto del secondo.
il 10 cave monta su fj 40, hj 61, hdj 80, bj 73.
il 21 cave monta su bj 40, bj 70, bj 71, hzj 70/73/75.

2- la miccia (quel pirulino che si infila nel cuscinetto del volano) che ha due dimensioni diverse, a seconda che si tratti di un 4 o 6 cilindri.

per quel che mi riguarda ho ancora montato il cambio del bj 73 (a cui avevo fatto accoppiare l'alberino frizione originale del cmbio hzj) ma dato che sarebbe da riaprire di nuovo e revisionare (innesti delle ridotte e cuscinetti vari) ho trovato l'occasione di risolvere il problema definitivamente con un cambio (già revisionato) di un hj 61...monterà???

francesco

Sorry that I have not been around for a while. I have been receiving
the posts from time to time but we have been busy travelling the world
over the last couple of years and latterly been away in the Troopy.

As for the gearbox/shaft problems. I believe ALL Troopys made from
when the 78 series were introduced to sometime in 2003 have the 2
piece shaft and all WILL have the problem. It seems that the problem
does not appear until 150,000 to 200,000km but I will not be
respnsible if your shaft goes earlier. YOu will get a clunk in all
gears gradually getting worse whe n changing gear.

Since we have ours repaired, there are still clunks but not so
noticeable and not so often.

When the splines give out, there is no drive at all - OK for us 200m
from home but potentialy life threatening in the middle of a desert.

Your choice what you want to do and when but I would have my gearbox
checked before a desert trip or any trip where it would be a major if
it went. As a bonus, we got a new heavy duty clutch fitted even though
the old one was only half worn at around 170,000km.

Total cost by a mechanic was from memory approx $3000 incl clutch.
Double for a Toyota dealer to do it unless it can be a warrenty claim
- some food for thought on this one as it is a common problem, we did
not have time to even talk to Toyota about it, we had to get the truck
on the road and doen to Melbourne when we had ours fixed.

We now also have a 2000 Rangie Vogue (not for long trips) to keep the
Troopy happy at night sharing the same garage. It is interesting
comparing the 2 vehicles. Cost to run per km is about the same (petrol
cheaper then diesel, the Rangie is better on the soft sand (wider
tyres???) but have not used it off road anywhere else yet. It will
never replace the Troopy though.

Stevesub


--- In troopyoz@yahoogroups.com, "Frank and Ros" wrote:
>
> Is there a difference between the 1999 78 series and the 2000? I thought
> they were exactly the same.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: troopyoz@yahoogroups.com [mailto:troopyoz@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Stephen Parkes
> Sent: Sunday, 21 May 2006 4:16 PM
> To: troopyoz@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [troopyoz] Re: dreaded gear-box dramas
>
> If you notice the problem seems to happen to early 2000 models
onwards so
> maybe we with earlier models are safe
>
>
> >From: "Frank and Ros"
> >Reply-To: troopyoz@yahoogroups.com
> >To:
> >Subject: RE: [troopyoz] Re: dreaded gear-box dramas
> >Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 06:57:19 +1000
> >
> >Hi,
> > Is there some way to check whether this gearbox condition is
> >developing
> >other than getting a clunk? I have a 1999 78 series with 95,000 kms
up and
> >I
> >don't have any apparent symptoms. The Troopy had done 64,000 km when I
> >bought it, so there's a bit of a chance that a new shaft had
already been
> >fitted.
> >
> >Can I test for play somewhere? Is there any way to see whether a
new shaft
> >has been fitted without stripping the gearbox down? If this thing
is going
> >to fail down the track, I'd just as soon have the new shaft fitted now.
> >
> >Cheers Frank.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: troopyoz@yahoogroups.com [mailto:troopyoz@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> >Of Tony Christian
> >Sent: Saturday, 20 May 2006 8:10 PM
> >To: troopyoz@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [troopyoz] Re: dreaded gear-box dramas
> >
> >Dave,
> >
> >I have a 2001 Troopy which had at the time about 80k on the clock.
> >
> >I too heard the same noise on take off etc.
> >
> >Fortunately I have extended warranty and had the job fixed.
> >
> >At the time I did some research and came to the same end as you and
> >Toyota have a modified shaft which they now use which overcomes the
> >problem. As I see it, it is a problem of dissimilarity of metals.
> >
> >My Troopy had done some "hot miles" meaning some long runs at 80/90kmh
> > down to Adelaide and for me crossing the Nullabor a few times. So a
> >large percent of my kms have been in 5th. Even with this mine
> >succumbed to the same demise.
> >
> >At least with Toyota there is a fix albeit expensive, with my previous
> >vehicle, whose name has been banned from my mouth " Land*****" I just
> >could not fix it at all!.
> >
> >Since I had mine done all is well on the gearbox side, infact the
> >Troopy just does its thing and even at 3.6 tonne on my desert trips it
> >is still fine.
> >
> >Just remembered, when we took the 'box out, the flywheel and clutch
> >still had machine marks on them so we did not have to replace them.
> >However we did the thrust race.
> >
> >Tony C
> >WA
> >
> >--- In troopyoz@yahoogroups.com, "ggoellnicht" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In troopyoz@yahoogroups.com, "David Shelton" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > G'day All
> > > > First post in a while for me - moved to Sydney and the job change
> > > has kept me very busy!!!
> > > >
> > > > As several before me have noted - my Troopy finally succumbed to
> > > the dreaded output shaft problem common to early 2000 models
onwards.
> > > I noted a small "clunk" emerging at take-off - kind of like normal
> > > transmission take up - but more metallic and ominous sounding. My
> > > Troopy is a 2002 model camper with 170k on the clock. Given this
age -
> > > it was highly likely it was fitted with the weak two piece output
> > > shaft (spline with a sleeve).
> > > >
> > > > As time went by the clunk got worse, and started occurring in
> > > higher gears....
> > > >
> > > > I was planning a weekend of serious off-roading (last weekend)
- so
> > > took preemptive action and took it back to my mechanic friends. End
> > > result - new output shaft required. I have kept the old one - I can
> > > move the sleeve with my bare hands - and the teeth were reduced to
> > > razor edges - not long left... Unfortunately it got worse for me - I
> > > knew my clutch was on the way out but I thought I had a bit left....
> > > Not so - the clutch needed doing also. I knew this as it was
slipping
> > > a bit on really steep boat ramps with the boat on - but both jobs
> > > together.....
> > > >
> > > > So - new output shaft, bearing kit as the bits of metal would have
> > > gone all through the transfer, new clutch - plus the service it was
> > > due for....
> > > >
> > > > Gulp..... $2500! I know this is a good price given the work that
> > > was done, and the mechanics are mates so I know they did it right -
> > > but still - the credit card nearly blew up!
> > > >
> > > > Apparently when they were ordering the shaft, they said the Toyota
> > > people were having trouble getting the shafts because there was such
> > > demand!
> > > >
> > > > So - on this list - how many have experienced this problem? I know
> > > Steve S did a while back - anyone else?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Dave
> >snipped
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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certo che la manodopera australiana costa, 3000$ per cambiare frizione e l'alberino...quanto Kakkio costa sto alberino?

già; ma che fine ha fatto Afrika? sta cercando ancora il pezzo?

[ 22 Maggio 2006: Messaggio editato da: marko ]

cambiare l'alberino è brigoso, ma a me una ditta specializzata ha chiesto 200 €.

se conti anche i costi dei pezzi saremo sulle 1000 € massimo.

certo che è un pò strana sta questione...in italia non ho mai sentito di 78 con questo difetto di fabbrica.

francesco

già che ci sono vi posto una domanda su un problema che ho sul cambio che ho montato sul mio FJ (è un h55f proveninete da un HJ 61):

sostanzialmente ho un problema col cuscinetto del cambio: quando in terza supero i 50 km/h (cosa che peraltro succede raramente...) comincio a sentire un rumore di rotazione molto acuto che proviene quasi di sicuro da cuscinetto; il rumore sembra quasi quello di un rasoio elettrico e, cosa strana, non scompare quando tolgo la marcia ma rimane finchè la macchina è quasi ferma, poi sperisce finchè non raggiungo di nuovo i 50 km/h.

altra anomalia: la terza entra regolarmente ma non esce; quando voglio togliere la marcia faccio una specie di doppietta e la cavo senza pigiare la frizione, perchè se la pigio la marcia non ne vuole sapere di uscire.
sarà il sincronizzatore?!?!


francesco

dovrebbe centrare qualcosa con il famoso alberino incriminato trovato da Cortomaltese nei forum Au; questo è di provenienza germanica,
fonte e forum , altre notizie .
Io non mastico il tedesco e mi tocca usare il pc per tradurre, ma mi pare di aver capito che il problema sia nei cambi ante 2003, sembra dal 1999 al 2003, il problema si manifesti tra i 60mila e 100milakm per veicoli pesanti che montano le 255/85. Addirittura c'è chi in Au consiglia per le versioni turbate la sostituzione del cambio dal R151 con l'R150.
Non è che fra noi c'è qualcuno che capisce il tedesco, si armi di pazienza, legga il forum di buschtaxi e ci faccia un bel riassuntino?
non ho capito se il pezzo incriminato costa 450€, si parla anche della qualità dell'olio che potrebbe giocare un ruolo fondamentale

ho dato un occhio molto rapido, ma adesso non ho il tempo di tradurre tutto per benino. in ogni caso, se può essere utile, ecco alcune osservazioni fatte sul forum buschtaxi.de indicato da marko. non sono esperto di meccanica, quindi non conosco i termini esatti dei pezzi.

da buschtaxi.de

sono stati registrati molti casi di guasti relativamente all'albero del cambio, anche non è stata avviata nessuna operazione di richiamo: l'unica soluzione pare essere quella di sostituire il pezzo incriminato con uno più robusto

a quanto pare, l'esperto a cui rivolgersi è tale Martin Többen
qualcuno, una volta sostituito il pezzo, ha portato quello vecchio e danneggiato alla concessionaria ed è riuscito a farselo cambiare in garanzia

il problema sarebbe dovuto al "albero di inserimento del ripartitore" (non so se la traduzione è giusta e ignoro l'equivalente italiano) e in particolare al fatto di essere costituito di due parti: ci deve essere una sorta di pezzo scorrevole che ha una copertura di circa 2 cm, e quando viene sottoposto a un carico di lavoro alto finisce per torcere l'ingranaggio interno. Quando succede, va ovviamente sostituito, con l'accortezza di farsene montare uno costituito da un pezzo unico

L'operazione di sostituzione presso quella che dev'essere un'officina piuttosto nota tra i toyotari tedeschi costa 450 euro per i nuovi clienti, 400 per gli altri o per chi ha acquistato lì la sua Toyota

a questo punto a mio avviso conviene indagare, e se la sostituzione è di quelle cifra forse per gli ante2003 convine farla. Certo che in Australia 3000$....
ho trovato il pezzo aggiornato segnalato da Alex 36211-60021 qui possibile che costa 125€?
Alex fatti vivo, serve la tua consulenza